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DarthKripple



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 4:19 pm    Post subject: It could be worse Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

We could have drafted Reggie Bush only to bench him in favor of Denver Retread Mike Anderson. That kind of money and he's not even a starter, what the hell?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

not to bash you, cause I like most of your posts but .... i'd take that issue and be 6-0 versus where we are atm.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Actually, you should bash me, but that's because it's Mike Bell, not Mike Anderson.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

And really, to clearify, I was simply stating that a top five pick sitting down in favor of someone else is pretty bad and that in terms of money we haven't spent it poorly in spurts. We could be the browns, having to move talent off of our team simply because all our money is invested in top ten picks over the last 7 seasons. Curry looks amazing already and Bush was in the same position, imagine if we had taken some giant offensive star that's now sitting out for the kind of cash bush got, Ruskell would not have a defender in the world.
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Dave Hamilton



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

We could be St. Louis, Detroit, Jacksonville or Titans fans. That's really about the only way it could be worse and being a Jacksonville fan is really about the same thing in a different corner of the country--perpetually average with underperforming seasons throw in for flavor.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

If you wanted to bring an example of things being worse, in defending the state of the Hawks, there are plenty of better analogies than pointing out that Reggie Bush was picked too high. I think Dave pretty much summarized them.

The mistake with Bush was thinking he could ever be a decent runner between the tackles. He's a hybrid RB/WR and they've learned to put him in a position where he gets a few carries and a ton of targets in the passing game.

He wasn't benched in favor of Mike Bell as much as Bell took over Pierre Thomas' role of the pounding RB when Thomas was hurt.

Bush is getting nearly 9 carries and 4 receptions per game (almost 13 touches per game). He is far from what you'd expect from a #2 RB in the draft, but your insinuation that Bush is a non-factor who gets less PT than a career journeyman RB, isn't accurate.

Reggie Bush isn't a 20+ carry per game RB, but he is a ultra talented playmaker, and he'll make his share this year for a team that could very well go to the superbowl.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

That Ultra Talented playmaker has 2 tds and just under 300 yards of offense in six games and averages a fumble every 27 touches. He's seen a ton less use in the last three games against tougher defenses and is the most expensive decoy I have ever seen.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 11:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

No one is saying Reggie Bush wasn't overpaid. I'm saying I'd much rather have the team that I'm a fan of to have grossly overpaid for a playmaker that doesn't get touches because his quarterback is tearing up the secondary with primary targets and winning with or without him.

Instead, we're fans of a team that overpaid for three average running backs and a wide receiver that's addicted to physical therapy and loses with them on the field anyways.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 12:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Yes and they'll be back at the bottom of the league in 2 seasons and struggle to get back to competing because of the poor financial decisions of their team. When you look at the supposed busts on the team as everyone calls them, the contracts the Seahawks write, while legitimately paying players is making the contracts cutable if performance doesn't occur. Shaun Alexander comes to mind, though the overall number given made Shaun the highest paid running back at the time Shaun's actual contract was flexible and organization friendly. Two contracts that were not were Grant Wistrom and Walter Jones Though Jones would go on to have to probowl seasons after his big deal his guarantees and foolishly placed roster bonuses meant that the only way one might limit his cap hit late in his deal is by flexing it into bonus cash. Wistrom's bonus was so huge, I think we still have a bit of a percentage of cap still paying out him that ends at the end of this fiscal season.

What I am saying and my overall point is this team has, save for one big contract, significant opportunity to make moves and adjust the roster should this year go bad, rather than what happened to the Forty-niners and other organizations that loaded contracts in hopes to buy a superbowl The Titants did the same thing. And so have the saints. We could be in a situation where our talent is old but the contracts are crippling and so we either have to spend 5 years reviving a cap and wander in the desert, but instead, even if this year winds up bad, this team is prepped for wholesale changes across the board on offense if that's what needs to be done.

This is what I meant as well as mocking Bush who I thought was overrated out of the draft and he hasn't proved to have any desire to make himself better, nor the capacity to strengthen his body to go injury free throughout the season.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

DarthKripple wrote:
Yes and they'll be back at the bottom of the league in 2 seasons and struggle to get back to competing because of the poor financial decisions of their team.


Bush is in the 3rd year of a 6 year contract where half the money was guaranteed, and I can only assume loaded upfront. Whatever poor financial decision they made with Bush sure isn't detrimental to their organization right now.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Bush is still a playmaker. Teams game plan against him. When is the last time we had a running back like that.............week 2 of 2006?

Like Go Hawks! stated, Bush just isn't an every down back. I'd love it if the only early draft pick Ruskell screwed up got us to six and O this season. Reggie Bush is productive........I'd take him over Jennings right about now. And are you seriously saying that Ruskell wouldn't have made the same decision when Bush fell to Number 2? Of course we don't konw, and knowing Ruskell he probably would have been pissed because the DE was gone and traded down, but we'll never know.

Still, I'd love to have the "problems" that the Saints have right now.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

It could be worse, I could be the only person speaking in any kind of positive perspective in this forum....oh...wait.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

http://www.fieldgulls.com/2009/11/1/1110757/be-thankful-for-what-we-have#storyjump

It could be worse, it just could be.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

DarthKripple wrote:
http://www.fieldgulls.com/2009/11/1/1110757/be-thankful-for-what-we-have#storyjump

It could be worse, it just could be.



Hahahaha .... poor Brian Russell ROFL
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Would be better if you had the link to Forsett running over B.Rus
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